Pluto and Saturn are of significant interest
in profiling personalities that are very driven
to control others
Prominence of these planets can arise where Pluto or Saturn have a strong connection especially to personal planets such as Sun Venus Mars or the primal wound factor Chiron.
Conjunctions squares and oppositions are worth noting where Saturn/Pluto are connected to the factors above though more hidden connections are also known to be relevant -semi and sesquisquares and midpoints can pick up connections where they may not seem evident at first assessment of the birth chart.
One example that can express in a large number of people is the sextile between Pluto and Neptune involving the signs Scorpio and Capricorn. This pattern was in many of the births 1985-1995: NEP CAP sextile PLU SCO generating a high potential for dominance or submission traits where further factors were also present to reinforce either potential. Gender differences genetic traits and social conditioning make it more likely for men to exhibit dominance behaviours and for women to be on the receiving end of the control.
Saturn was also in Scorpio Sept 1983-November 1985 for most births .
1985 stands out for there being 3 control factors in the outer planets for most born that year.
Coercive control is likely to include a relevant Pluto factor such as Pluto in Capricorn or Scorpio making a connection to a behavioural/relational factor such as Mars or Venus
A love of power is possible with Pluto in connection with the Sun
The two main control signs are Scorpio and Capricorn but the energies of these signs can also be strongly activated through Saturn or Pluto placed in other Fixed and Cardinal Signs.
Sun in Scorpio or Capricorn are relevant if supported by other indicators revealing a controlling personality.
Pluto in Leo or Libra are already known to have potential to express dominance traits.
Saturn in Leo and Libra can also be noted if supported by other indicators.
Conjunctions squares and oppositions are worth noting where Saturn/Pluto are connected to the factors above though more hidden connections are also known to be relevant -semi and sesquisquares and midpoints can pick up connections where they may not seem evident at first assessment of the birth chart.
Saturn/Pluto in any sign will connect with the inner planets of many people
so there needs to be more than one relevant pattern
to build a controlling or predatory personality .
One example that can express in a large number of people is the sextile between Pluto and Neptune involving the signs Scorpio and Capricorn. This pattern was in many of the births 1985-1995: NEP CAP sextile PLU SCO generating a high potential for dominance or submission traits where further factors were also present to reinforce either potential. Gender differences genetic traits and social conditioning make it more likely for men to exhibit dominance behaviours and for women to be on the receiving end of the control.
Saturn was also in Scorpio Sept 1983-November 1985 for most births .
1985 stands out for there being 3 control factors in the outer planets for most born that year.
Coercive control is likely to include a relevant Pluto factor such as Pluto in Capricorn or Scorpio making a connection to a behavioural/relational factor such as Mars or Venus
A love of power is possible with Pluto in connection with the Sun
The two main control signs are Scorpio and Capricorn but the energies of these signs can also be strongly activated through Saturn or Pluto placed in other Fixed and Cardinal Signs.
Sun in Scorpio or Capricorn are relevant if supported by other indicators revealing a controlling personality.
Pluto in Leo or Libra are already known to have potential to express dominance traits.
Saturn in Leo and Libra can also be noted if supported by other indicators.
NARCISSISM
Narcissism has strong association with the need to control others and the belief in a natural right to treat people in any way without consequences .
It is through the Fixed signs that entitlement is expressed .
Entitlement is linked to a sense of unaccountable power - historically ascribed as " the divine right of Kings" .
The most prominent power signs are Scorpio and Leo but within a context of other relevant factors Aquarius or Taurus can also reinforce a narcissistic personality. Jupiter can be involved when in Taurus due to a pattern of sensory gluttony that demands endless pleasure.
Where narcissistic or coercive control personalities have strong Pluto / Scorpio factors then sexual dominance to the point of cruelty - physical/ emotional harm can extend beyond force and reflect sadism. Sadists require engagement with a personality showing masochistic traits - both dispositions having been acquired through early power abuse trauma.
Narcissists and predators are survivalists whose life blood is strengthened by their ability to control others - to the point of power over the life and death of their chosen target.
The predatory survivalist signs are very primal/instinctual in terms of physical bodily needs and dominance strategies.
These traits can can express through Scorpio Leo Taurus Aquarius. These survivalists achieve pleasure from their control methods
The protectionist survivalists have several factors in Cardinal signs Capricorn Libra Cancer Aries. They want their "type" - those of similar resonance and traits - to control those who are easy to manage. Inner personal planets and outer planets can contribute to this type especially if several in the range Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus Pluto - are in Cardinal signs.
Aggressive survivalism is easily enhanced by Mars Jupiter or Uranus in Aries. The use of anger or violence are well known dominance methods to assert control if a submissive partner stops complying.
In essence the protectionist trait is related to ancestry and lineage tribe family and the purpose being to benevolently support and sustain the bloodline but in its distorted expression this trait constructs a "lineage" or network based on others with shared behavioural traits that validate a perverted version of family and control structures.
When minors are the target of this type of survivalism the perpetrators are likely to have been raised in an extremely dysfunctional version of family where they learned pathological behaviours could be empowering due to a sense of being in control.
Following Epstein's incarceration and suicide by hanging [2019] Brunel himself was incarcerated pre trial and committed suicide -also by hanging [2022]. Brunel met Ghislaine Maxwell in the 1980s. He was a model scout with access to young females. His alleged his sex crimes against minors are said to have extended over 3 decades including in the period when his dealings with Epstein were more frequent .
Born Sept 18 1946 the concerning patterns involved in Brunel's profile include:
Pluto in Leo square Venus in Scorpio
Pluto in Leo semisquare Mercury in Virgo
Pluto Saturn midpoint in Leo sextile Neptune in Libra
Neptune in Libra semisextile Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Libra trine Uranus in Gemini
Uranus in Gemini trine Chiron in Libra
Chiron in Libra conjunct Mars in Libra
The above factors demonstrate Brunel's known abusive patterns:
coercive control drugging of minors for the purposes of sexual assault
sexual attraction to minors aggressive harmful relating style
This post was inspired by key figures in the Epstein scandal already identified by late 2025. The perpetrators - according to information in the public domain - all display traits as explored above to an extent that warrants the label of either predator or narcissist or predatory narcissist. Their astrological profiles provide clear confirmation of patterns that are capable of activating such traits
What has already come to light and further revelations and identification of key figures will all stem from the experiences and fightback of key figure and hero Virginia Roberts Giuffre who was abused within the web of perpetrators crafted by Jeffry Epstein and his primary associate Ghislaine Maxwell. Tragically Virginia's hell did not end after fleeing Epstein's control and her 22 year marriage apparently failed long before her death in April 2025. Only motherhood enabled her love and protective instincts to bloom. Virginia was born with a pattern that placed her at great disadvantage when under the control of older or more physically powerful men. Those that abused her knew they had total control . All who harmed her carry that stain -whether they are formerly charged or not - and will face consequences in the way and at the time it is most appropriate.
Narcissism has strong association with the need to control others and the belief in a natural right to treat people in any way without consequences .
It is through the Fixed signs that entitlement is expressed .
Entitlement is linked to a sense of unaccountable power - historically ascribed as " the divine right of Kings" .
The most prominent power signs are Scorpio and Leo but within a context of other relevant factors Aquarius or Taurus can also reinforce a narcissistic personality. Jupiter can be involved when in Taurus due to a pattern of sensory gluttony that demands endless pleasure.
Where narcissistic or coercive control personalities have strong Pluto / Scorpio factors then sexual dominance to the point of cruelty - physical/ emotional harm can extend beyond force and reflect sadism. Sadists require engagement with a personality showing masochistic traits - both dispositions having been acquired through early power abuse trauma.
Narcissists and predators are survivalists whose life blood is strengthened by their ability to control others - to the point of power over the life and death of their chosen target.
The predatory survivalist signs are very primal/instinctual in terms of physical bodily needs and dominance strategies.
These traits can can express through Scorpio Leo Taurus Aquarius. These survivalists achieve pleasure from their control methods
The protectionist survivalists have several factors in Cardinal signs Capricorn Libra Cancer Aries. They want their "type" - those of similar resonance and traits - to control those who are easy to manage. Inner personal planets and outer planets can contribute to this type especially if several in the range Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus Pluto - are in Cardinal signs.
Aggressive survivalism is easily enhanced by Mars Jupiter or Uranus in Aries. The use of anger or violence are well known dominance methods to assert control if a submissive partner stops complying.
In essence the protectionist trait is related to ancestry and lineage tribe family and the purpose being to benevolently support and sustain the bloodline but in its distorted expression this trait constructs a "lineage" or network based on others with shared behavioural traits that validate a perverted version of family and control structures.
When minors are the target of this type of survivalism the perpetrators are likely to have been raised in an extremely dysfunctional version of family where they learned pathological behaviours could be empowering due to a sense of being in control.
It is possible for both types of survivalism to be strong in one person.
Both types are seeking security strength and possibly invincibility
to compensate for the deep vacuum within.
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and named by Virginia Giuffre
Born Sept 18 1946 the concerning patterns involved in Brunel's profile include:
Pluto in Leo square Venus in Scorpio
Pluto in Leo semisquare Mercury in Virgo
Pluto Saturn midpoint in Leo sextile Neptune in Libra
Neptune in Libra semisextile Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Libra trine Uranus in Gemini
Uranus in Gemini trine Chiron in Libra
Chiron in Libra conjunct Mars in Libra
The above factors demonstrate Brunel's known abusive patterns:
coercive control drugging of minors for the purposes of sexual assault
sexual attraction to minors aggressive harmful relating style
Addendum
This post was inspired by key figures in the Epstein scandal already identified by late 2025. The perpetrators - according to information in the public domain - all display traits as explored above to an extent that warrants the label of either predator or narcissist or predatory narcissist. Their astrological profiles provide clear confirmation of patterns that are capable of activating such traits
What has already come to light and further revelations and identification of key figures will all stem from the experiences and fightback of key figure and hero Virginia Roberts Giuffre who was abused within the web of perpetrators crafted by Jeffry Epstein and his primary associate Ghislaine Maxwell. Tragically Virginia's hell did not end after fleeing Epstein's control and her 22 year marriage apparently failed long before her death in April 2025. Only motherhood enabled her love and protective instincts to bloom. Virginia was born with a pattern that placed her at great disadvantage when under the control of older or more physically powerful men. Those that abused her knew they had total control . All who harmed her carry that stain -whether they are formerly charged or not - and will face consequences in the way and at the time it is most appropriate.
